Note before you read this , you will find vulgar words and insults from both me and the editor 3 in Faithreedom.org . I , as Islam teaches me , will admit my mistake and learn to be a better person . I also apologies to the readers for any disturbing terms coming from me . I assure it will not happen again – God wills – But the question is : Would you do the same editor 3 ? Or maybe you will keep on insulting us and our prophet and spread your hatred ? It’s up to you . Every child of Adam is a sinner , and the best of the sinners are those who repent .
Almost four days ago , I was surfing the internet . I passed by this site named faithfreedom . I heard about it and about its owner ( Ali Sina ) . When I saw the front page , I was not very surprised how disrespectful it was . so I sent this message to them . ( I repeat , I regret the language I used on that time . It will not happen again )
The ******* called ( Ali Zina ) I just saw the main page of your site and noticed how hateful and disrespectful you are ( Not to mention how childish ) And I ask you : Do you really think that this is a way to invite a Muslim to your faith ? Maybe you think that Muslims are like you people , have no problem when someone insults their mothers with the filthiest terms . But you should know this . With this hatred of yours , you only make us more assured that our faith is right . Because when lowly scums such as yourself assault us , it is a proof that we’re on a different path than your , a correct path . And no peace to the criminals .
The next day , I got a reply , I actually forgot and deleted it . You can get the picture from this reply of mine .
“Trash talk is trash talk. This is what you are doing.”
It depends on what you call trash talk . I personally see that ribaldry and using vulgar and lowly terms and having absolutely no respect to others is trash talk , so , do you compare all that ( Which is something you do every day ) to what I said ? I simply told you that you’re acting childish through making contests such as ( Draw Muhammad ) and all . And it only makes us Muslims more assured of our faith . And I say it while not ashamed of saying , these doings of yours make people hate you more . And please , before you go and say ( A Muslim admit that they promote hatred ) and all that repeated scenario of the ill western media , you should know that hating someone doing a crime is rational . And your crime is lying and being disrespectful and extremely rude
“We criticize Islam because it is evil.”
That’s your personal opinion . And truth stands clear . As it stood out many times through the ages .
“We have a challenge on our site to prove us wrong. Prove us wrong and you can make $50000. This is no joke. We are serious about it.”
Of course you’re not joking about it , you’re LYING about it . Osama Abdullah alone proved you wrong on many occasions and you never deleted any of your lies on your site . But what do we expect from the enemies of Islam ? That is how you do ever since it started and this is how you’ll do until the day of judgement . The funny thing ( And I quote from Osama ) that your site asks for donations to keep running , so how on earth are you supposed to pay 50,000 dollars to who proves you wrong ? ( And actually , you were proven wrong many times )
“If you show us we are wrong, Ali Sina, and all of us editors and volunteers for this site will revert to Islam.”
I find myself saying ( شفيق يا راجل !! ) which in case you didn’t know means that what you said is so hilarious and you expect me to believe it ! If I prove you wrong for once , you will ALL revert ? I doubt that ONE of you would . So spare us the challenging tone . It has no place in reality .
“So, what you got to lose. Below is a link to our challenge. We accuse Muhammad of being a **** , a **** , a ********** and many other “good” qualities.”
Well , in normal situations , I would have my time to lose since I won’t come out of this except with mocking and disrespect of the likes of you . But a good thing I see in doing so is to show the usual reaction you’ll make when proven wrong and lying .
“You can ask Ali for a free pdf version of his book.”
No thanks , I’d rather not waste my time reading some 18+ rated book full of extreme hating terms a street thug would be ashamed of . And “Understand Muhammad” you say ? Give me a break ? I doubt that if I ask this Ali Zina about the name of the prophet’s first son that he’ll know . And then he claims he understands him ?
“I am Editor 3 for FFI”
Usually , I wouldn’t care , but now that I know there is more than one liar in the group , then I guess I do need to know who I am talking with .
“I am willing to discuss any of those accusation with you”
And I am prepared for that as well , but with three conditions :
1 – Respect each others’ faith and beliefs
2 – A claim must be backed up with evidence
3 – You make a point about Islam once and I make a point about your faith once , IF you’re Christian .
“Be prepared for the bitter truth Mr. Zberma.”
The only truth I see coming is the usual reaction of the enemies of Islam . And keep this tone to yourself I said . And by the way , my name is “Zabarma” not “Zberma” so I really wonder how do you have the nerve to make a claim of “Grammatical mistakes in Quran” while you can’t read !
“Truth can be stranger than fiction”Indeed . The strange truth is that there are people who have absolutely no dignity that they keep their articles after they were refuted over and over by more than one person .
So bring forth your proof if you are truthful .
Here , I have some comments to make :
Firstly , he boldly says ( We criticize Islam because it’s evil ! ) And you see through it that he careless if he harms the feelings of Muslims who read his articles . Is that a way to prove yourself right editor 3 ? And if you say “I am right and you are wrong !” then what’s the point of making conversations ?
Secondly , I’m serious . If you can’t keep your site without donations , then why do you risk with making a challenge of 50,000 $ ?
Thirdly , I remind you , insulting the prophet peace upon him is a greater crime than insulting a Muslim personally . So if you want to make a conversation , respect that .
Fourthly , I never heard of a stable fair person who left his religion and then started cursing and insulting it . So either these people need treatment or they were not Muslims to begin with .
Anyway , I got this reply
No one was successful in proving us wrong. You are imagining things.
Here is and example
Muhammad was a ********. Below is some evidence (there is much more hadiths on this matter). Its not from us. Its from authentic Islamic sources. Can you tell me why I am wrong when I say Muhammad is a *****. That **** man was 53 years old when he slept with Ayesha (she was 8 yrs and 9 months old):
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart
So I sent this
“No one was successful in proving us wrong. You are imagining things”
In this case , you are either ignorant or a liar , so choose one of them , you filthy scum .
Here is a link to Answering Christianity :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/faithfreedom_rebuttals.htm
We are no Christians . We don’t believe it when somebody says ( The sun is green ) We ask for proof for everything . We are the nation of proof .
“Here is an(d) example”
Muhammad was a ******. Below is some evidence (there is much more hadiths on this matter). Its not from us. Its from authentic Islamic sources. Can you tell me why I am wrong when I say Muhammad is a ******. That ***** man was 53 years old when he slept with Ayesha (she was 8 yrs and 9 months old):”
First of all , it only shows me how lowly and filthy you scums are . Your site was not made for scientific purposes . It was made just to act like a bunch of ***** . So don’t think that putting (Mr) in everyone of your garbage bags you call answers will make me overlook your insults to our prophet . That’s what we are , we’re no cuckolds . On the other hand , you people don’t have a problem if someone calls your mothers (b****) but it would be a huge problem if someone call you (idiots) . So keep that to yourselves . And now , let us see what you view as evidence while it only looks bad in sick mentalities like yours .
“Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’”
And I say Yes , he married her at the age of 6 and she was only admitted to his house at the age of 9 . So what’s the problem ? Here is a page of my blog where I refute this sick claim . If you act lazy and refuse to go through it , I’ll sum it up in this letter
1 – We are not forced to prove she was happy with her marriage to you . YOU are the ones forced to bring your proof if you’re talking the truth
2 – For God’s sake , why did not he contact with her until she was 9 ? Why did he await three years ? You might say “He awaited until she was matured enough for sexual contact” and if you say that , you blow your claim with your own foul mouth . Because you admit that she was an adult and not a child ( As I’ll prove soon )
3 – It actually shows your ill minds when you object about this marriage . Because once you hear the word “Marriage” you think about sex . If someone say “Club” you think about a night club . If someone say “Pole” you think about pole dancers . That’s what you perverts are raised on in this *************** .
And you still have the nerve to object ?
4 – If you had a shred of knowledge ( And you clearly don’t ) then you would have known that a girl at the age of FIVE had a child ! So how can she have a child while she’s still a child huh ? And here’s the link so that you don’t say I throw a claim without a proof , I told you , we are the people of proof unlike youhttp://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp
Oh , and another scientific link showing that girls can become mature at the age of EIGHT , let alone nine
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/924002-overview
5 – I CHALLENGE you and all your doomed hearted friends to bring ONE objection from our prophet’s enemies about this marriage ! NONE have objected ! no Arabians , no Africans , no Persians , no Romans . None at all ! And now you scrawny pitiful excuse of human beings think you outsmarted them all and found a killing mistake they didn’t find ? How pathetic . So either you say that the whole world was of child molesters and make a joke of yourself , or admit that you’re wrong and give me that 50 thousand dollars . And since I know that you don’t even have 50 dollars in your bucket , I think you’ll go with the first one .
6 – You also object about the difference in ages . And I say , eat dirt . The difference in age has nothing to do with the deal . The greatest damage that can be caused by it is that the wife might get disturbed a little , so I CHALLENGE you to bring ONE telling by her that she was not overjoyed with her marriage
7 – In the book you call (Holy Bible) we see that a man can marry a child of THREE ! So who’s the pedophile now you scums
8 – For God’s sake , would a child molester remain unmarried until he reaches 25 ? Would he remain without visiting what you call (playboys) ################## ? would he marry for the first time in his life a woman who’s FIFTEEN years older than him ? would he remain unmarried after her until someone suggests that he marries another ? Would all his wives except one be widows and old women ? Have you no shame ?! You criminals !
9 – I ask you , you don’t mind if a man marries a man , or a man marrying an animal , so how do you have the nerve to object here ?
In the end , I have two things to tell you . Firstly , if you have anything to say then TRY to refute my article on my blog (Above) . And secondly , have some courage and defend your faith , Christian ! Or maybe they only teach you to throw claims in church ? get this , we are not in a church . We speak with evidence . If you don’t have evidence , your place is in a *********** . And no peace to the criminals
I would like to make another comment here :
He says nobody was able to prove them wrong . And I really don’t know what to call these articles if they are not refutations :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/faithfreedom_rebuttals.htm
So either you refute them , or you are afraid to admit you are wrong . And really , did he answer ANY of my nine points ? Clearly , no . He did not mention any of them . That is no way to make a conversation ! If you just claim you are right without revealing what’s wrong about your opponent’s evidence then that’s no argument . You should learn this fact .
After that , I got this message
there is no need to use bad language. I treat you with courtesy. Please return in same manner.
When I say Muhammad is a ******, my intention is not to insult you. I am just stating a fact. You may reject my claim and start using some links as if they have an answer. It seems you admit that Muhammad married her at six and slept with her when she was 9 lunar years (that is 8 years and 9 months in our age). Here you have a 53 year old man sleeping with a child. You seem to be happy with that, that is fine. You clearly admit it. So, Muhammad is indeed a *****. There are actually tons of Hadiths supporting my claim here.
I would appreciate it if you stop using links. Let’s discuss it, you and me. Links do not prove anything. When I have an argument or a claim, I prove that myself from Islamic sources (Qur’an, Hadith, and Sirat). I think it is fair enough to ask you to do the same. And lets keep other religions out of your attacks. here we have a Muslim (you) and an Ex-Muslim (me) discussing things in Islam. Let’s leave other religions alone. My problems is not with Christianity, Hinduism or any other religion. My problems is with Islam and Muhammad. I hope that you will stick to the arguments I provide. You are welcome to use authentic Islamic sources. Links just have articles and claims. I would like you and your mind to discuss things in a polite manner with me and my mind. This is fair for both of us.
This is me , Akahoshi11 , and I deleted this part because it’s an attempt to run away from my rebuttal to another claim without answering anything . And it was full of vile terms . If that editor sees this page and claims that I’m hiding something – And the fact is that he didn’t publish our conversation – Then he should bring a picture proving this . The same thing I’ll do at the end of this article .
Next, i will prove to you that Muhammad was an *******
But let me hear from you first. Thank you
Editor 3
Then I sent this
“there is no need to use bad language. I treat you with courtesy. Please return in same manner”
Liar ! YOU are the one who gave absolutely no respect to my prophet . And now you show us these crocodile tears of yours thinking you would fool me ? We’re not Christians I told you , we don’t believe whatever anybody tells us . So talk with respect if you wanted any . It is ridiculous how that a thug would attack someone on the street , and when the man beats the thug and injures him he goes to people shouting that this man harmed him ! And I told you already , using words like “Please” and “Mr” will not fool me . I saw your type and I know what you hide behind these masks . So don’t waste your time .
“When I say Muhammad is a Pedophile, my intention is not to insult you. I am just stating a fact”
No , you’re stating a LIE . Let us see what does Pedophile mean from dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
“an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.”
And clearly , she was not a child as I proved to you . There are women who would become mature at age of FIVE . And I showed you a proof from a non-Islamic source so that you don’t object about it . And you should drill this into your thick skull : For a Muslim , when you insult our prophet you insult a billion and a half person on this Earth . We’re not cuckold like you . We care . And keep this in mind , I have pictures of all these letters . I will not hesitate to upload them and reveal your disrespect and vulgar language and running away through lying and fabricating . So speak with respect if you want it .
“I would appreciate it if you stop using links. Let’s discuss it, you and me. Links do not prove anything”
Aha ! So you’re running away ! Links don’t prove a thing ? Gimme a break you liar ! Links are essential in arguments to prove things from trusted sources . And I brought you clear evidences from Non-Islamic sources so that you don’t whine about me bringing them . How on Earth are you supposed to prove anything without a link to a trusted source . But now that you turned 180 degrees upside down for your hypocrisy , I’ll bring you proof from both sources . Here , we see how well he used to treat her and how she admits that he treated her well
عن الأسود قال : ( سألت عائشة ما كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يصنع في بيته ؟ قال : كان يكون في مهنة أهله، فإذا حضرت الصلاة يتوضأ ويخرج إلى الصلاة ) رواه مسلم و الترمذي
وعن عائشة رضي الله عنها قالت : (( كان يخيط ثوبه ويخصف نعله ويعمل ما يعمل الرجال في بيوتهم )) رواه أحمد
قال عليه الصلاة والسلام : (( خيركم خيركم لأهله وأنا خيركم لأهلي )) سنن الترمذي .
So as you see , this is a simple proof that she had no complains about her marriage , and the third Hadith shows how he cares for his family and orders others to be good with theirs .
“And lets keep other religions out of your attacks”
Oooooh ! So you just want to attack my faith while I defend it ? You through an ill claim after another and I refute it ? Are you so coward that you can’t defend your faith ? Or maybe you’re ashamed of it ? ********************* . This is no conversation , you make your claim and I make mine , and each one defends his faith with proof . Can you ? Or maybe that’s too hard for you .
“here we have a Muslim (you) and an Ex-Muslim (me) discussing things in Islam. Let’s leave other religions alone”
Liar ! ANYONE can clearly see that you were never a Muslim ( You wish ) but rather ########## . We got used to these games of yours Christians . You refuse to say what’s your religion so that you are not embarrassed by it . You are ashamed of it . Because each page shows a crime and blood shedding and rape … etc . So defend your faith if you have any courage . Christian .
“Links just have articles and claims”
Are you blind ? I brought you a link from MY blog , and I had trusted resources with it . And don’t go saying ( You must only use Islamic resources ) because I know and everyone know that once you find something that doesn’t support you in Islam you will immediately say ( Hey ! You can’t argue with Islamic resources ! ) I told you , these games of yours are exposed .
“I would like you and your mind to discuss things in a polite manner with me and my mind”
Me ?! Who was the one that started trash-talking at the first place and showing zero respect ? It was clearly you . The thief says that stealing is bad . how absurd .
“Now let me go to another claim”
NO ! You will NOT go to another ill claim you learn in church ! You will stick with the first one and admit that you were wrong or try to refute what I brought . THAT is how it goes . And I still didn’t ask you about the crimes in your Bible . So don’t think I would be fooled by these games you missionaries play . I went through them and I can know a Christian from his smell ! You reek of lies and hatred . Your pattern of speech is exposed and anyone can figure out who you are . So I will NOT discuss this other foul claim from you until you admit you were wrong about objecting about the marriage or try refute my evidences that she was not a child as you claim . And after that I will ask you about the rape and crimes and blood shedding in your Bible and you will either admit that they are true or try to refute them . That’s how it goes . Not with the childish games you play .
Remove the mask Christian ! I know who’s behind it
Here I make a statement that HE was the one to start with bad language . Now , I won’t claim I didn’t , but the one who starts the fire carries the most of the mistake , right ? In the whole conversation , it went with the example of a man fighting for good against a man fighting for evil . But , because the first one acted rashly , he made his argument lose its value . Now , I am not saying this editor had an argument , no I swear ! You would need a lot of training to say his arguments are rational with a straight face .
After it , he doesn’t want me to bring links ! If we don’t bring links to trusted sources then our conversation would be a load of empty claims which anybody could say they are right or wrong according to their liking . And the links I brought were to clear a scientific fact . Would you want me to bring such a thing from Quran of Hadith ? It is normal for a person to reach adolescence at the age of eight as proven in the link . So that means it doesn’t give a place for his objection to start at the first place . Because he claims she was a child , and I proved to him medically that 9 years could be the age of maturity at some people . So either he brings a source saying she was a child – And he didn’t – or say that he doesn’t agree with the marriage because it doesn’t meet his personal opinions .
Then he sent this
you need to clean your language, or you won’t get a response back.We both agreed that Muhammad slept with Ayesha when she was almost 9 years old. To you, this seems okay. To me this is *******. You are happy that a 53 years old man is sleeping with a 9 years child. To me, this makes Muhammad a **** man and a *********. We can stop right here on *******. I’ll publish our correspondence if you like, and the readers can tell if Muhammad is a ********** or not. Fair enough.As for sources, you certainly are welcome to use Qur’an, Hadith and Sirat to support your claims. I do the same. What I object to is you using links to articles written by some Muslim website in trying to show that my claims have been answered. This is an easy escape. I can do the same. So, lets stick to Islamic sources and rely on ourselves. The issue of ******** is done between you and me. You certainly expressed your view and gave examples such as a 5 year old gave birth making it okay to sleep with a 4 years old child. You presented good Muslim thinking. I tried to present my view. We can publish our discussion on ******** and let the readers be the judge between us. Fair enough. Your accusations about me being a Christian is how you Muslims think. Lets say I was the Pope or I was the most atheist person in the world. this does not change the strength of my argument on *********. But you Muslims love to Hate the Christians and Jews. That is fine, but it is still the case that a ******** is a*********.
Now, I supplied you with evidence that Muhammad was a *****. You may claim that I am attacking you or your beliefs. That is not my intention at all. When someone is a *******, I’d like to be able to call him a *****. i am trying to express a fact. You may not like that, but that is how I see it.
We can discuss that or I can just publish our emails about ******** and let the readers judge what you and I said.
Let me know Mr. Khalid. And please be courteous in your language. If you keep your bad manners in your emails, I will stop responding, and our conversation is done for good. Its your choice. Let me remind you, you were the one who contacted us. We did not contact you. If you want the communication to continue, you need to clean up the way you write in your emails. Else, you won’t get a response, and our conversation is done.
Have a good day
Editor 3
So I sent this one
“you need to clean your language”
Really ? the ones who show the most vulgar sick terms on their site have the nerve to say ” Clean your language ” ? how ironic ?!
“or you won’t get a response back.”
And when did you respond to begin with ? all you did was running away from a claim to another . and I told you , I have pictures of these emails and I’ll upload them on my blog and other sites once this is over to show the world that Faithfreedom is a site built on irrational hatred .
“You are happy that a 53 years old man is sleeping with a 9 years child”
LIAR ! LIAR ! LIAR ! oh .. LIAR ! I NEVER said she was a child you LIAR ! I brought you proof from trusted scientific sources that a woman can become mature at the age of FIVE . But as expected , you ignored all that . Now I CHALLENGE you to bring me any kind of proof that she was a child as a nine years old . I want a CLEAR hadith saying the word “Child” and don’t bother , you will never find it , LIAR !
“To me, this makes Muhammad a ***** man and a *******”
Now who needs to clean his language you pig ?! The likes of you should be caught and they should shove sh** through their throats .
“I’ll publish our correspondence if you like, and the readers can tell if Muhammad is a ****** or not. Fair enough.”
No . You will either refute my evidence that you were wrong ( And lying ) or admit that you were wrong , and spare me the crap of (50,000 $) I’m not a child to be fooled with it . And please , you’ll publish our correspondence ? I CHALLENGE you to upload all what we said ! You’ll definitely delete what you like and keep what you like . Me on the other hand , will upload full pictures of what happened here to show the whole world your lack of respect and upbringing . And I’ll allow the readers , Muslims or not , to judge who’s lying and deceiving others .
“What I object to is you using links to articles written by some Muslim website in trying to show that my claims have been answered”
Now , you are either : 1 – Blind 2 – Pretending not to see 3 – An idiot who reads these articles and fails to understand what they mean . So choose one of them LIAR ! I brought you a link to MY blog . Don’t you know what does (MY) mean ? Do I have to teach you English now ? My blog means my blog ! And ALL the articles in it have been written by me . that means when I bring you an article from there , I am answering your claims with my own words . Can’t you understand that ?! And you say “Articles written by Muslims” ? I suppose that dictionary.com is an Islamic site ? I suppose that all these rebuttals to your ill claims on answering Christianity are mirage ? I suppose that snope.com is an Islamic site ? I suppose that medscape.com is an Islamic site ? Get serious ! get back from this Lala world of yours where you’re always right ! Reality is different , and the truth is bitter . I brought you links of trusted Islamic and non-Islamic sources , so try and refute what I brought if you can .
“This is an easy escape”
Ha ! The escape artist talks about escaping ?! Well then , “One who never escapes” I want you to refute all these refutations on Answering Christianity and prove that you’re not wrong
http://www.answering-christianity.com/faithfreedom_rebuttals.htm
I want you you to refute MY article in MY blog , which was done by MY hand .
http://anticlaims.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/the-marriage-of-muhammad-peace-be-upon-him-and-lady-aisha
I want you you to bring ONE proof that lady Aisha wasn’t happy with her marriage . ONE proof that she was a child .
I want you to give me an answer about the five years old girl who had birth of a child , and you can find the article on Los Angeles Times. 16 May 1939
I want you to give me an answer about this scientific study which proves that girls can reach maturity at the age of 8
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/924002-overview
I want you to tell me why didn’t he peace be upon him marry until he became 25 years old . Why did he marry a two time widow ? why are all his wives old widows ? Tell me
I want you to defend your faith , Christian . All you did was running away and ignoring my answers . So tell me how come you don’t object about your book saying that you can marry a 3 years old
I want you to reply to my evidence that she was happy with her marriage
I want an answer to ALL these points which you cowardly ran away from . So come on , bring your proof
“Your accusations about me being a Christian is how you Muslims think”
No , it is just the way you Christians do , You Christians are the ones who throw an ill claim after another while hiding behind the mask of Atheism . You do all this so that we don’t embarrass you with the crimes of your book And you should know , when you say that you’re an Atheist , you make things worse . Because when you say that , you agree to sex with animals , with gay people , with dead people , and children as well . An Atheist has nothing banning him from doing anything . An Atheist can kill in order to satisfy his desires and there is nothing banning him . So don’t think hiding behind Atheism would save you .
And in the end , I have seen your true ugly face . And I got what I need to expose your swamp you call a site . And I was the one who contacted you ? For God’s sake ! YOU are the ones who took huge flags and shouted “We challenge all Muslims !” so did not you expect a respond to your odious smells ?
I will upload the pictures of these emails and show the whole world what faithfreedom is actually like . You can delete anything I said refuting you and your other pig friends in that barn . Die in your rage . Islam is spreading and it will fly over your hands full of dirt
عليكم لعائن الله يا مجموعة من المجرمين المنحطين الديوثين المتآمرين ملتهمي ال****
Here , I want you to note how he lies and tries to deceive others that I agree with sleeping ( sex ) with children ! That’s a clear lie ! How could he misunderstand me ? I say “She is not a child” and he says “You agree to sleep with children” I’m really speechless ! What am I supposed to say in order to make him understand ? And how on earth would a person having a child be a child ?! Have not I told you these people go against all rules of common sense just to justify their hate ?
And after that , he says he will publish the conversation , and so far , he didn’t ( If I just didn’t notice it then please inform me )
Moreover , he claims that the sites I brought are Islamic . So he’s saying the medical site I brought is actually a fake one made by Muslims to deceive people 
You be the judges .
As for me accusing him to be a Christian , that’s because he and his friends follow the ways of missionaries .
1 – They insult Muslims by saying “Worshipers of Satan ! You will go to hell ! There is no hope for you ! You are evil !”
2 – Atheists focus on what they think are “Scientific mistakes” but Christians would attack our prophet and accuse him of doing this and that .
3 – From my experience , Missionaries have the habit of escaping answering the refutations by going to other claims to try and make it look as if the Muslim never answered . And that’s what he does .
4 – An Atheist hates all religions and attacks them all . He may hate Islam more due to the bias of the media . But he will still attack other religions . On the other hand , they only attack Islam . Not just that , but he defends ALL other religions and praise them and even worship them . Is that an Atheist ?
Then he sent me this funny attempt
our correspondence is over. Please do post on your blog. I plan to post on FFIHere are 2 hadiths for you to ponder about. Ayesha was playing on the swing and playing with dolls after Muhammad “married” her, if you can call this a marriage. Is her behavior that of an adult person? Anyway, you are a rude person Mr. Khalid. No more emails from here.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915,
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
And my answer was
“Ayesha was playing on the swing and playing with dolls after Muhammad “married” her, if you can call this a marriage.
Is her behavior that of an adult person? “Ahahahahahahahaha !! Oh my God ! I couldn’t stop laughing at your stupidity ! Oh , oh , oh … ( Take breath ) Ok , she was playing on a swing , so what ? are all these people on swings (Children) ? or what
http://mnprairieroots.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/tire-swing-1.jpg?w=614&h=409
http://watermarked.cutcaster.com/cutcaster-photo-100701953-Senior-man-Swinging-on-a-Tire-Swing.jpg
Are they ALL children ? Dude , spare yourself the humiliation ! If you say such a thing in public they would show your picture in the news for a week with ( The biggest idiot in history ) under it XD I challenge you to claim that all these people are children . Even your followers would see how naive you are !
“Anyway, you are a rude person Mr. Khalid. No more emails from here”
Oh ! I’M rude ? I’ll let our readers judge who’s acting like a ***** . Speaking of **** , I found these pictures on Internet and I’m not sure which one of them is you , so tell me
http://www.victorschueller.com##############
http://midwestresearchswine.com###############
http://www.kingofpork.com############
http://www.ultrafeel.tv################
Thanks for the laugh anyway
In the end , I apologize . Not to him or his site , but to the readers because my language was bad . I learned my mistake and desire to become a better person . I wonder if he would do the same , or keep his offensive hateful posts and fabrications about Islam and Muslims .
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته،
أخي احييك على حماسك في الدفاع عن الإسلام و عن رسولنا صلى الله عليه و سلم، لكن اود ان القي عليك اللوم في اسلوبك النقاشي، و أتمنى ان اكون قادرا على ذلك دون ان تقلل احترامي او ترمي بي أي تهمة.
غيرتك على رسلونا لا شك دليل غيرتك، لكن هناك اشكالية في إظهار هذا الطريقة. الاحترام اساسه هو احترام الأشخاص أنفسهم، ثم احترام ما يلحق بذلك مثل العقائد و الاحباب و غيرها، و لا شك ان هناك من يقدّر احترام العقائد اكثر من الأشخاص. ما اقصده هو ان كنت ترى ان اي اتهام يرمى به الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم تبريرا للسب و الشتم المستمر، فالأحرى بك ان تبتعد كل الإبتعاد عن هذه “النقاشات”. هناك مواضيع كثيرة أساسها الرسول و الدين الإسلامي، لكن هذا ليس تبريرا للألقاب.
ان كنت ما زلت ترى ان اتهام الرسول هو مبرر للغضب، فهناك سؤال مهم، و هو “ما فائدة الغضب؟” أنا لا اتكلم عامة (لأن عامة هذه تلغي الغيرة) لكن اتكلم في سياق الحوار. في سياق الحوار الغضب ليس له أي فائدة، سوى التنفيس، و هذا بذاته ليست فائدة ان كانت موجهة لشخص ما، و كل ما يرجى هنا هو تشجيع الخصم على الإصرار على رأيه بعد ما أعميته عن المنطق بسبه.
لكي لا تقول ان لست مسلم او اني لا احترم الرسول، سأقول اني أفعل ذلك، لكن ان كنت اعلم ان اتهام الرسول سيجعلني افقد أعصابي، فلا شك انني سأبتعد عن هذه الحوارات، و ان لم ابتعد، فلن أدّعي ان غضبي مبرر و أدّعي المنطقية.
لا ، لا أتهمك بشيء . بل أنت محق . فقد بلغ الغضب معي أقصى درجاته بسبب أسلوب ذلك المشرف قليل الأدب . و أنت محق في الابتعاد عن هذه الحوارات . و قد عزمت أن أترك الحوار مع مثل هؤلاء ممن لا يعطون ذرة احترام لأشرف المرسلين . لكني أخالفك بشدة في قولك أنه ليس من شروط احترام الشخص احترام عقيدته ! لو رأيت ما شتم به هذا المجرم نبينا لندى جبينك ! شتائمه منحطة إلى أقصى درجة . و هو يكررها عن قصد و هو يعلم أنها إساءة لنا . و أوافقك في أن الغضب الأهوج لا فائدة منه و يفتح باباً للخبثاء من أعداء الدين ليتهموا المسلم بقلة الأدب و التهرب من الحوار .
في الختام ، أوافقك في ما قلت و قد تعلمت ألا أظهر غضبي بهذا الأسلوب . بل نقذف بالحق على الباطل فيدمغه فإذا هو زاهق .
You are just plain stupid!! Why do you care so much about what others say. You are so sad to watch. And in the end you come across as an imbecile who thinks a 5 years old girl is a lady and it is okay to marry her. Why don’t you be a little more open minded to embrace the life outside islam. You have no idea how good the life will be if u get rid of the shackles of organized religion. Peace.
“You are just plain stupid!!”
OK . But don’t you dare say later “We love Muslims” . Like your other friends do .
“Why do you care so much about what others say.”
Hmmmm …. Then why are you so mad that I insulted him ? If we really should laugh whenever someone acts bawdy , then you should have all laughed too , right
? When somebody starts firing , he shouldn’t feel bad when his arrows are shot back at him . If you want respect , then you most treat others with respect .
“You are so sad to watch”
Funny , that’s what I thought when I saw how much poison they place in your heads
“And in the end you come across as an imbecile who thinks a 5 years old girl is a lady and it is okay to marry her”
Now , that’s a lie . You’re trying to make it look as if I said something while I didn’t . I know that you will ignore this . But I will still say it so that nobody claims I didn’t explain .
First of all , your idea of marriage is infected . Marriage is not only sex as they try to make you think . Marriage has many reasons . Some are political , some are cultural , some are for strengthening relationships between families . Don’t just think of sex , be more educated
http://abohobelah.blogspot.com/2012/07/history-of-marriage-as-institution-by.html
Secondly , from here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child
We see that a child is “a human between the stages of birth and puberty.” So tell me , how can a child – Who’s still to reach puberty – have a child ?
So the problem here is not the marriage itself , but your unfair view of it . Prophet Muhammad – All peace and blessings upon him – married for many reasons of which I mentioned . For example , he married lady Sawda because she was a old widow . Her husband passed away and left her alone . So , he married her to take care of her and her six children . Another example is his marriage to lady Hafsa . She was also a widow . and he married her as a sign of the strong bonds between him and Omar the son of Khattab – God be pleased of him – .
So as we see , his marriages were for important reasons . And when I mentioned the five years old girl , I did that to prove you wrong from your own sources . To prove that maturity isn’t only at 18 years old – Which you try to force on the whole world – or any other age .
But to show the error of your ways even more , I will show you some more .
This is a video showing that in Europe , the so called modern and advanced continent , princesses used to marry at the SAME age of 9.
You see what I mean ? Marriage is not only about sex .
Now that we agree that a child is a person who didn’t reach puberty , let’s see what is puberty
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/924002-overview
“Background: Precocious puberty refers to the
appearance of physical and hormonal signs of
pubertal development at an earlier age than is
considered normal. For many years, puberty was
considered precocious in girls younger than 8 years;
however, a recent study and review suggest that age 7
years is a more appropriate age boundary for white
girls and age 6 years for black girls. For boys, onset of
puberty before age 9 years is considered precocious ”
So , puberty can be even at age of 6 . are we cool
?
And for more evidence , this is a picture of a mother at the same age , 9
http://www.answering-christianity.com/thaigal.jpg
So when did she get pregnant and all ?
And let’s see what does the American Academy of Pediatrics say about child abuse :
“Pathophysiology: Child sexual abuse has been
defined by the American Academy of Pediatrics as
the engaging of a child in sexual activities that the
child cannot comprehend, for which the child is
developmentally unprepared and cannot give
informed consent, and violate the social taboos of
society. In general, children cannot consent to any
sexual activity, but the legal age of consent may vary
by state”
And let’s see if these things apply to lady Aisha’s marriage or not .
“the child cannot comprehend”
There isn’t a single evidence saying she couldn’t comprehend . As we saw above , a person can reach puberty at age of 6 , let alone 9 . So how would they reach puberty while they don’t comprehend ? For more information , visit this page :
http://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/puberty/pages/Whats-Happening-to-my-Body.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token
“for which the child is
developmentally unprepared”
The same .
“and cannot give informed consent ”
The same . But I’ll add some facts
The youngest grandfather in Britain :
http://www.gazire.com/cms/news-action-show-id-6827.htm
“and violate the social taboos of society.”
And now , you need to bring me one objection from anyone during those days
So tell me , what did our prophet violate ?
To you ones who imagine lady Aisha as a little , weak , immature child , read more about science and Islam before you make such hasty judgements .
Now , I don’t want some people to go and say I want such marriage to be allowed during these days . No I didn’t say such a thing . Islam doesn’t say such marriages MUST be done . But it allowed them as long as there is nothing harmful to the society . Right now , marriage needs a lot of education and responsibility and all . So such a marriage cannot be done . And there’s no problem in that . What’s allowed becomes forbidden in certain cases .
I’ll go even deeper to make sure – God wills – that nothing is unexplained .
If my memory doesn’t fail me , I read an article saying that UNICEF declares only THREE harms for the early marriage :
1 – Incapacity of fulfilling education . And I would like anybody to mention one kind of education lady Aisha couldn’t have .
2 – Early pregnancy . And it would take great ignorance to claim lady Aisha had a child .
3 – Mistreatment of husband . And once again , you need to bring evidence that such a thing happened
Now that we’re done proving Prophet Muhammad – All peace and blessings upon him – innocent , we go to the second part of proving the hypocrisy of those who object about this marriage .
Let’s look firstly at this link
http://www.buddybuddy.com/peters-1.html
In the forth point , it says :
“From the 1690s to the 1870s, “wife sale” was common in rural and small-town England. To divorce his wife, a husband could present her with a rope around her neck in a public sale to another man. ”
No comment ….
But in point 10 it says :
“Throughout most of the 19th century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years. ”
So , a person could have done sexual intercourse at the age of 10 ! And in Delaware it was 7 ! So let me get this straight : It’s bad to marry at the age of 9 , but it’s OK if you have sex at that age ?!
In point 11 it says :
“As late as 1930, twelve states allowed boys as young as 14 and girls as young as 12 to marry (with parental consent). ”
No comment ….
And from here
http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm
I quote what someone among yourselves say about you
“Few people seem to be aware of the crazy-quilt of our laws regarding the age of consent for sexual activity. Even fewer people seem to know anything about the historical background of the consent laws”
Now , this isn’t me . He said it . He also says :
“The common law, from which America gets much of its precedents in the legal field, set the age of consent at age ten. In other words, participating in sexual activity with someone above the age of ten did not result in the crime of “statutory” rape or child molesting. The activity may have come under other statutory or informal social regulations, but anyone over the age of ten could consent to a sexual activity”
No comment …
Also , he said something about the difference of minimum marriage age between the states
“The age of consent laws have never made any sense. The variances among the individual states is enormous and what would pass as a willing, consensual sexual encounter in one state is a serious crime with severe penalties in another”
And in the end , I leave you with this chart .
http://www.ageofconsent.com/images/aocgraph2.gif
I would like you to focus on California and see the minimum age of marriage
“Why don’t you be a little more open minded to embrace the life outside islam. You have no idea how good the life will be if u get rid of the shackles of organized religion.”
In this line of yours , you show the American ignorance of the world . And before you jump and say I’m disrespecting people , I want to remind you of what YOU said about how we shouldn’t care for what people say
And moreover , this isn’t what I said . YOUR media itself said so about you :
Triangles have 4 heads ?! You think that we Muslims are living in tents , riding camels , forbid knowledge , and know nothing at all . That’s the fruit of the poisoned tree of media . We’re happy with our lives . We have beds like you do , we go to school and learn , we go on journeys , and enjoy our life . So don’t make your judgement while you don’t know what you’re talking about .
Believe me , the problem is not in his marriage . But in the hatred of the unfair ones . They would take a beautiful picture of an incident that happened with him and make it ugly . If you want examples then just ask and I’ll tell you .
And all thanks to God . And peace and blessings upon our beloved light of hearts our teacher Muhammad .
Peace
In the name of God , most merciful , most gracious , we start refuting you and showing your irrationality and immorality .
“That is the most ridiculous thing ever, All those European princesses and stuff and other things are *********************”
Now listen , this isn’t another of your bawdy sites which allow you to run your foul mouths as you like . Get some manners and then talk . And no matter how much you try , prophet Muhammad – upon him are the best of prayers and the fullest of graces – will always be the cloud you try to harm through barking . His shoe is worth more than you and every Islamophobic ignorant .
“I agree, no double standards! okay. But, the problem is all these retards did not preach anything, they just died.”
Oh ! Thanks ! You’re advancing it more and more . You show how desperate the ignorant enemies of Islam are to attack Islam . I don’t doubt that you would accuse yourself of a crime as long as it reaches our prophet . And you say you don’t hate Muslims ? Who’re you trying to fool ? This point stabs you in a killing spot . That’s why you try to run away from it . America and Europe which you seem to be so proud of did not forbid sex with a 10 years old until the the middle of the 20th century . You can twist and turn all you like . But it will still be a thorn in your throats .
“And I see no one like yourself trying to justify their(all the cases of child marriage) crime”
Oh God ! And Atheists are supposed to be smart ?! HOW many time do I have to repeat it ?! First of all , we DON’T make excuses to justify a crime . We show the error of your insane double standards . Secondly , I got tired ! I told you three times that lady Aisha was not a child . The conversation is like :
You : How does your prophet marry a child ?!
Me : Oh , no . You’re misunderstanding it . She wasn’t a child . You see , scientifically , a person can reach maturity even at the age of 6 . Because you didn’t hear of such cases you think it is not possible . But it is .
You : How does you prophet marry a child ?!!
Me : Oh God ! Give me strength !
So tell me , what am I supposed to say in order to make it reach you ?! Actually , I don’t have to keep going on that anymore . I explained it to you so many times but you don’t want to leave your dictatorial hating ideologies .
“Another stupid thing is u people believe everything absolutely, a video, an article like the ones you’ve given above. You only know the outside world from the internet/ ur media/ some stupid movie. And so u stereotype everyone who doesn’t agree with u as a ‘dumb person’ who don’t know anything about their country”
Too much nonsense in few lines . Only individuals like you have the talent of doing so . So let’s see it point by point .
“Another stupid thing is u people believe everything absolutely, a video, an article like the ones you’ve given above”
The snake accused me for his disease and slipped away ! You , the one who knows nothing about Islam except from TV , have the nerve accuse us of this ?! I won’t comment about that . But when you simply declare that the video was wrong because it didn’t match your dictatorial ideologies , you prove to us that your standards are indeed double , and even triple . The problem is not to bring a video or an article . The problem is to believe it with no proof or listening to the other side . That’s EXACTLY what you do . You see an article accusing Islam of a bad thing and you immediately believe it with no doubt or bothering listen to what we say . But when an article \ video defends Islam or even say a good thing about it , you go mad and call us retarded and crazy and all . YES , you ARE a hypocrite .
“You only know the outside world from the internet/ ur media/ some stupid movie”
Ha ! You talk as if you traveled the whole world and saw everything ! While you admit yourself that you only saw Britain , India , and USA . First of all , in such times . The media is the main source for the knowledge of people . But the problem only lays in people – You – believing everything this media says without thinking . Like this conversation :
Me : Oh , that’s a good looking car .
You : No , that’s a donkey
Me : What are you saying man ?! It’s a car .
You : I’m saying it’s a donkey
Me : It’s made of steel !
You : Then it’s a steel donkey
Me : It has tires !
You : Then it’s a donkey with tires
Me : It has a gas tank , front lights , an engine , and a roof .
You : Still a donkey !
Me : You gave me headache man ! How can you say this is a donkey ?!
You : As long as these scientists with nice suits who use fluent words say it’s a donkey , then IT IS A DONKEY !
And you’re no different from this fictional speech I made up . If you were really rational and smart – Like ALL arrogant Atheists think they are – then you would have had the ability to know what’s true from false in the media .
“And so u stereotype everyone who doesn’t agree with u as a ‘dumb person’ who don’t know anything about their country”
You should clean your eyes . They seem to have dirt in them . YOUR media , which you take ALL the false information from said so , not me . And don’t try to look like the hero who was treated unjustly by the barbaric retarded Muslim . You can’t fool anyone . YOU were the one who started calling us barbarians , retarded , ignorant people , who live in tents and ride camels . Thinking that you’re so intelligent and modern . And when I made you look in the mirror and see that you’re no different from others . You started weeping and crying like a teenager girl through her puberty . And no , the dumb people are not those who disagree with us . They are the ones who can’t get any straight fact through their thick skulls . You for instance .
“While I hate to do this but u’ve shown that in no.4 that people except in your country/religion are dumb. So, read this http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics”
I’m speechless ! In ONE comment , you showed the most of the tares Islamophobes have ! And more than that , you do it saying “I hate to do this” trying to delude yourself that I’m under your mercy . This shows the arrogance that builds up withing Atheists . But let’s refute your weak , pathetic attempt .
First of all , have not you said two minutes ago that we only know about the world from Internet ? Then why do you use Internet now ? Another proof that you’re a hypocrite .
Secondly , wikiilslam ? really ? You take knowledge from such an Islamophobic sick site ? Now , before you go saying I call it so because it doesn’t agree with me , I’ll tell you why I call it so . That site is made ESPECIALLY to attack Islam . There isn’t a SINGLE article in that site which have a scientific value . And this page you just brought , is just another example . They are all a load of empty claims with no evidence . But I’m not surprised . All the Islamophobics like you take their information from such sites and then think they knew Islam . But if you ask them where do Muslims pray to , they know nothing !
“While I don’t believe with all of the stuff in them, As per ur law of unified standards it has to be absolutely true that 4 in 5 children in middle east are abused before they reach 6. ”
Again , is wikiislam a site to take your knowledge from ? If yes , then you throw your own words in a garbage dumb . And prove to us that the main source you take information from is these sick sites . And let us suppose that this information is true – And it’s wrong . I just go easy with you – then what does that mean ? Let all the people of the world rape and that will not harm Islam . You cannot judge a faith by its followers doings . If so , then I can judge Atheism through you and you emotional unstablity . But I judge it from its own meanings . And YES , you’re STILL a hypocrite who uses double and triple and quadruple standards . One minute you say that not all things they say are true , the other one you say with complete rudeness and arrogance that 4 of 5 children are raped . You believe it just because it matches your sick hatred .
And in the end , just to anger you , I’ll give you a gift . The disastrous rates in the so modern west . ( From our teacher , Abuhub Allah )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/177333.stm
42% admit they did multiple relationships at the same time . And half the Americans do illegal relationships with other than their husbands\wives .
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5511a1.htm
More than a million child are aborted yearly in America alone .
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/199701_sectionI.pdf
1320 women are killed yearly by their husbands or boyfriends .
http://www.rehab.research.va.gov/jour/08/45/3/pdf/Street.pdf
78% of military women have been harassed
And here’s a TRUSTED static to the rape cases in your so modern world
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes
Note that Saudi Arabia , which you keep saying is a barbaric retarded nation , is in the end of the list . So , did rape become a sign of civilization ?
Oh , and gay people too
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_und_nei_hom-lifestyle-undesirable-neighbours-homosexuals
Sure , you would say that homosexuality is freedom and all . But when you hear that prophet Muhammad did a holy relationship which is marriage , you will turn 180 degrees upside down .
My , how can I forget porn ?
http://www.infographicfile.com/infographics/view/589
Every half an hour , a porn movie is made in America . In every second , 30 thousand Americans watch porn . USA makes 89% of porn around the world . 42% of Internet users in USA watch and download porn . That’s 102 million American . Porn makes a fortune of 13 billion dollar a year . 25% of search engines’ searches in USA are for porn . Children in USA watch porn at age of 11 .
And let’s see what do your teachers of Atheists say :
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bMJ8dqZgeaE/UKFMBWAn-pI/AAAAAAAABsA/lkF3T0lB6PA/s1600/310720_290975157601505_1245123187_n.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5LO_11vyPWE/UKFNdmZ8vKI/AAAAAAAABsQ/QQ-u44K7s5g/s1600/316019_290974294268258_254402451_n.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9113394/Killing-babies-no-different-from-abortion-experts-say.html
http://www.wnd.com/2011/12/375085/
But what breaks your back and blasts your accusation back at you is these two
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x_x1LWIrRtk/UKEE0yOkt1I/AAAAAAAABlk/urpAb4uS7uM/s640/307162_290970170935337_1094867093_n.jpg
As you see , your Atheist teachers , which you think have taught you to be enlightened and smart and all , want to do the same things they claim to fight .
Now , my blog is mainly to fend of the lies of missionaries and Christians . I didn’t make it to address Atheism . But because you Atheists love to stick your noses in everything that has nothing to do with you , I must do this .
And you’re not welcomed here . Time is too important to waste on individuals with some tares in their souls . I wondered sometimes why do our debaters act strict with some Atheists . But now I see what’s the reason for them to act so . Because they got tired of dealing with ignorant , arrogant , self-centered , hateful , hypocrites like you .
Okay! Thanks for making it clear! I’m not welcome. But, you have missed to address my concern in the last comment. All those people you said, who did marry younger people did not start their own religion unlike your prophet. And there are no people following them blindly.
Again u assume a lot. you’ve shown me how this convo looked in your eyes. Let me show how it looked in mine.
You: Prophet married a girl who is mature although she is only 9. But, she is a woman.
I: How can u make such an argument??
You: U hate Islam, ur an islamophobe, there arelot of people in your western world who did it too. you are a hypocrite
I: I don’t care about Islam/ prophet because of its contentious existence (Read: cannot be proven), What I care is how can you support such an act?
you: You are an islamophobe, you hate islam, your mind is filled with hater towards islam.
I: No, I don’t care about Islam, I wonder how an educated person can be so narrow minde.
You: You suck, get outta here! you are foul mouthed. You only think what your TV shows you u is real.
Okay, may be u missed a point or two here. You, see India has a lot of muslim population and I have grown up around them so don’t you dare say I hate Islamic people and I don’t know anything about Islam. All, along you’ve only thought I do hate it and you just wanted to counter my arguments without even looking into my claims. In the previous comment I mentioned “I understand you’ve been brought up in a religious family” which mean I can understand how you react when someone who has no idea about your beliefs from far far away start to criticize it. And, I said ‘ I hate to do this’ not because you are under my mercy, Just because I did not believe in the site and I did not want to use some random articles from the internet to aid my argument.
Next time you pray ask your god for a real brain, you seem to need it. And by the way I never called Saudi Arabia Barbaric. I’ve been there, nice little country. Although, there may be some difficult laws to adhere. Again, you people seem not to have problems with it, why do i care. And lastly, Atheism is not an organized religion, so when show me instances where atheists do crazy stuff. I DON’T CARE! I DON’T SEE A LOGICAL REASON WHY I SHOULD DEFEND THEIR BARBARIC ACTS. NOW IF THEY START THEIR OWN RELIGION AND PEOPLE FOLLOW HIM, THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM.
My peice of advice :
Sop believe in non-sense and try to help people around you
In the name of God , we refute you yet again and show your irrational logic .
“But, you have missed to address my concern in the last comment. All those people you said, who did marry younger people did not start their own religion unlike your prophet. And there are no people following them blindly. ”
No I didn’t . And the reason I brought that is just to show you that your leaders do what you see as a crime . I repeated it so many times but you are a hopeless being . We don’t justify our prophet’s doing . We show the error of your standards and views . I won’t start it from over . You’re just ignore it . But when I saw this :
You: Prophet married a girl who is mature although she is only 9. But, she is a woman.
I: How can u make such an argument??
You: U hate Islam, ur an islamophobe, there arelot of people in your western world who did it too. you are a hypocrite
I: I don’t care about Islam/ prophet because of its contentious existence (Read: cannot be proven), What I care is how can you support such an act?
you: You are an islamophobe, you hate islam, your mind is filled with hater towards islam.
I: No, I don’t care about Islam, I wonder how an educated person can be so narrow minde.
You: You suck, get outta here! you are foul mouthed. You only think what your TV shows you u is real.
I honestly laughed . Can’t you bring something original instead of copying me ? And what’s worse is that you don’t even do it right
First of all , until you bring ONE rational reason to declare this marriage a crime , your argument is invalid . Secondly , I don’t only prove you wrong by showing that you do it as well . I only mention that to show your irrationality . But you , like all enemies of Islam , quote what you like from your opponent’s words and ignore all the rest to delude yourself and others that the Muslim didn’t answer . Thirdly , yes , you are not welcomed here . For your foul mouth , and because you ignore everything I say and repeat the cycle over and over . Fourthly , Shafeeq ya Ragil ( It means : Seriously ? ) I’m narrow minded ? OK , let’s change the meaning of “Open-minded” to this :
“An open-minded person is the one that changes his lifestyle to please what the west likes . Who laughs when they insult him . Who kisses their feet . Who hates his religion’s teachings”
I guess that this is the meaning of “Open-minded” to you . And for every stable person , this shows your dictatorial ideologies . You simply declare yourself right and call everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a retarded idiot . And when they show you the error of your ways and prove to you that you’re wrong , you go saying that they should be more open-minded . I don’t doubt that you would one day claim the sun is green . And when people explain to you how that it is not , you will go calling them narrow-minded .
Keep that to yourself . We are not forced to change our beliefs and lives just to please you .
“Okay, may be u missed a point or two here. You, see India has a lot of muslim population and I have grown up around them so don’t you dare say I hate Islamic people and I don’t know anything about Islam.”
I don’t care if you have grown up among people of Saudi Arabia . Your own words show that you know nothing about Islam . So much that you take all your information from such a sick site like wikiislam . So just because you lived among Muslims – And who knows , that’s what you all say – that doesn’t change the fact that you know zero facts about Islam .
“All, along you’ve only thought I do hate it and you just wanted to counter my arguments without even looking into my claims.”
And who do I believe ? Your saying that you don’t hate Islam , or your acts which show how you look down on religions and hate them ? A picture speaks more than a thousand words .
” In the previous comment I mentioned “I understand you’ve been brought up in a religious family” which mean I can understand how you react when someone who has no idea about your beliefs from far far away start to criticize it.”
So ? What does that have to do with our argument ? And no , you don’t understand . That’s why you DO attack Islam while you know zero information about it . But the last straw was this :
“And, I said ‘ I hate to do this’ not because you are under my mercy, Just because I did not believe in the site and I did not want to use some random articles from the internet to aid my argument. ”
So you DO admit that your information is brought from random sites you see on the internet . You don’t bother check if they are true or not . You don’t bother listen to the other side . I’ll be honest and say that I never met someone with such conflicting words . At a time you say that I’m ignorant for taking information from Internet and TV . And at another time you do what you claim that I do .
“Next time you pray ask your god for a real brain, you seem to need it”
Childish and pathetic . It has no value .
“And lastly, Atheism is not an organized religion, so when show me instances where atheists do crazy stuff. I DON’T CARE! I DON’T SEE A LOGICAL REASON WHY I SHOULD DEFEND THEIR BARBARIC ACTS.”
Hello , you missed the point . They did that in the name of Atheism . Atheism means “No rules” . Do what you like and don’t mind what others care about . That’s its simple meaning . We’re just some masses which appeared by chance through atoms clashing . There’s no meaning of life in Atheism . And of course , no morals . So when you go objecting , you disbelieve in Atheism . It is really pathetic how you blame Islam for the doings of some people , and when you taste your own poison you suddenly turn back and say these things .
“My peice of advice :
Sop believe in non-sense and try to help people around you”
For the nonsense part , I already made my argument and proved to you that she wasn’t a child and that this marriage doesn’t violate anything . You on the other hand , didn’t say a word about it . You just refused the marriage because you don’t like it . So YOU are the one following nonsense . As for helping others , I don’t need to hear it from an Atheist . I know this fact from my religion ever sense I started understanding what’s around me . So keep this advice to yourself . YOU need it .
So, That is one long response and I honestly did not read through it completely. But, I do have something to say. You digging out stuff to justify an act of barbarism is just wrong. Honestly, would you marry a 9 year old mature girl?? if yes, you my dear are not supposed to have contact with anything that is sane. I don’t care about your prophet or what he did, it is just fiction.
“So, That is one long response and I honestly did not read through it completely”
Case closed . You prove to me yet again that the enemies of Islam judge it without even thinking or bothering to read about it . And if you bothered see the second video you would have seen that your own media agrees with that thought .
“You digging out stuff to justify an act of barbarism is just wrong”
You lie ! It’s just another futile attempt to make us look like criminals . I already told your friend at that hating site , we don’t make excuses .
“21:18 Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. ”
That’s what we do with you . We show the error of your ways . We show your usage of double standards . And in most cases , irrational standards .
“Honestly, would you marry a 9 year old mature girl??”
There you go again , trying to force your selfish personal opinions on everybody else . I explained it to you so many times but it seems that it cannot reach through your skull . What does that marriage violate ? What’s the problem about it ? Is it just that you don’t like it ? If yes , then we are not forced to deny it in order to please you dictators of hate .
“if yes, you my dear are not supposed to have contact with anything that is sane”
The real insanity here is that you don’t mind having sex with an 8 years old , but you would go crazy over a marriage with a nine years old . Your standards – With NO respect to you – are unbelievably twisted ! And because they taught you to hate Islam so much , you don’t even read what I wrote . You just declare yourself right because you’re right . If you were really fair and rational , then read what others say . If you’re right , then you would have no problem refuting that , right ?
I really got disappointed . I though you at least would act a little more rational . But it seems I got my hopes up for nothing .
Just to make rationalism clear!! I who was brought by a scientist who only taught me that being an athiest opens up new possibilities is the one with double standards?? Funny, how i live and work with real people and problems is irrational,while you mulling over some fictious book which clearly need a lot of videos and bizzare ppl to support it is the rational one. Again,, no one filled my mind with spite against islam, i never said it. May be u assumed. My problem is how come an educated person like yourself is trying to convince others that it is a justified act. While i understand that u were brought up in a religious family, why don’t you take a minute to try and imagine how this looks to an outsider. P.S. I ONCE had muslim girlfriend, i dont hate them. Also, i did not completley understand about the double standards, care to explain?
“Funny, how i live and work with real people and problems is irrational,while you mulling over some fictious book which clearly need a lot of videos and bizzare ppl to support it is the rational one”
Quran doesn’t need videos or anything to support it . What we do is delivering the message of God to people . And because of all these lies against it , we must refute them and show the error of their ways . I could say the same about your Atheism and evolution theory . If it was really correct then it wouldn’t have needed all these fabrications . The reason we invite others to Islam is to clear the misunderstanding they have . If someone doesn’t see the greatness of something , then we must show him , and that doesn’t make that thing any less . As for “Fictious book” That’s your own opinion which you should keep to yourself .
“Again,, no one filled my mind with spite against islam, i never said it. May be u assumed. My problem is how come an educated person like yourself is trying to convince others that it is a justified act.”
Well sorry . Your acts speak of you . You admit that you didn’t even bother read what I wrote . And once again you declare yourself right and try to delude yourself that I’m justifying a crime . I repeat for the millionth time : We don’t justify the marriage . We prove your standards wrong . Sure , you won’t read what I wrote . You just refuse to listen to other opinions . And the ironic thing is that you call us retarded and that we are close-minded !
“While i understand that u were brought up in a religious family, why don’t you take a minute to try and imagine how this looks to an outsider”
Same question , why don’t YOU take a minute and try to see how it looks to us . But because I don’t know what exactly you mean by saying “this” I’ll assume that you mean the marriage . And to answer you , once again , you want to force your own opinions on others . I mean , really , why don’t you think for a second how it looks to us . Why don’t you try to be neutral and listen to both sides . You tell me to see how others view it . And I also ask you to try and see why do we agree with it .
“Also, i did not completley understand about the double standards, care to explain?”
What I mean by double standards is what I said in that long reply which you didn’t read . But to leave no excuses . I’ll sum it here :
1 – In the first video , it shows that princesses in Europe used to marry at the SAME age you object about : Nine years . So how come you accuse our prophet of doing a crime while you’re doing it ?!
2 – In this link http://www.gazire.com/cms/news-action-show-id-6827.htm It talks about the youngest GRANDFATHER in Britain . So when did he become mature and go through sexual intercourse and have children and all ?
3 – Here http://www.buddybuddy.com/peters-1.html It says many important things . The first one is that the minimum age of sexual intercourse in America through the 19th century was TEN years old . And in Delaware it saw SEVEN ! So once again : How do you have the nerve accuse us for something that YOU do ?!
4 – In this one http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm A writer among yourselves admits that most of people know nothing about the history of marriage or the age of sexual intercourse . Which shows how this bias media tricked you to think that what our prophet did is a crime . He also stated how that the age of sexual intercourse was ten . But the funny thing is not just that your standards are not only different when looking at his marriage , but also different among yourselves until now . States of America – I assume you are American from your language – have different ages of marriage . If you marry a sixteen years old in a state it would be okay , but if you marry her in another state you would be jailed for a crime !
5 – But the straw that breaks the back of the donkey ( The last straw ) is your accusation that we are close-minded and ignorant of the world around us . In the second video , a man went around asking people questions showing that they don’t know what’s the number of the triangle’s heads , what’s the first alphabet in their country’s name , or what are the names of these nations they support invading !
Do you see now what I mean by double standards ?
That , and all thanks to God , and peace and blessings upon our beloved light of hearts , our teacher Muhammad .
Peace
That is the most ridiculous thing ever, All those European princesses and stuff and other things are *************. I agree, no double standards! okay. But, the problem is all these retards did not preach anything, they just died. And I see no one like yourself trying to justify their(all the cases of child marriage) crime. Another stupid thing is u people believe everything absolutely, a video, an article like the ones you’ve given above. You only know the outside world from the internet/ ur media/ some stupid movie. And so u stereotype everyone who doesn’t agree with u as a ‘dumb person’ who don’t know anything about their country. While I hate to do this but u’ve shown that in no.4 that people except in your country/religion are dumb. So, read this http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics
While I don’t believe with all of the stuff in them, As per ur law of unified standards it has to be absolutely true that 4 in 5 children in middle east are abused before they reach 6.
And just so you know, I live in America, but I was born in London, raised in India.